this is a stance , a robust investigative news site but full spectrum news, not just covering the nsa . >> had he walked up to you and side i want to hire you with the "washington post." would you have gone to a mainstream organization? >> if he said i want to build the "washington post." it's not that i have a problem with the "washington post." they have great journalist who is have done fantastic investigative reporter. but the process we have a media culture in the united states where we are increasingly adversarial to those in power. pierre was saying i want to transform the "washington post" into this bad ass news organization, sure, i would work for it. >> did he come to you or did you go to him? >> we had been talking about creating our own website, not that we would work exclusively for but put our stories that didn't find a home on more established media outlets. we were talking about how to kick start the campaign. when we talked about how to raise money about this literally this afternoon glen gets an e-mail from a friend of his saying pierre wants to talk to about a proje